average iQ

topic posted Thu, November 18, 2004 - 6:01 AM by  Ashley
Soemone told me today that the average IQ in the US is 91.
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Ashley
SF Bay Area
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    Wed, February 16, 2005 - 5:37 AM
    You know, Madonna really wanted "Justify My Love" to be called "Quantify My Intelligence." I'm not making this up.
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    Sat, February 19, 2005 - 7:38 PM
    That is pretty sad if the average IQ in the US is 9 points below the standard average IQ.... That is very hard to believe, although, I could see, on a smaller scale, that being possible in regions of the United States....regions where children eat paintchips and where there is a good bit of inbreeding...
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      Wed, March 2, 2005 - 6:39 AM
      Ummm...the idea that IQ tests are normed at 100 means that the average IQ will be 100. Since most tests are normed in the US, then the average of the test (100) will be the average IQ of the population...which is 100.

      There are countries with higher average IQs (Taiwan, Singapore, and some European countries), just as there are countries with lower average IQs...South Africa pops to mind.

      I think the problem is that 2/3 of the population is within the 85-115 range (i.e. within one standard deviation of the norm). Hence, we have the election results. :-)
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        Wed, March 2, 2005 - 3:15 PM
        Hey, Cherish! Another belly dancer! Glad to have you here on the Einstein tribe!
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          Wed, March 2, 2005 - 3:38 PM
          Just goes to prove that bellydancers are a smart bunch. :-)
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            Thu, March 3, 2005 - 10:32 AM
            do you guys believe that there is inherent differences in IQ between the races, or are ya'll of the opinion that race is a "social construct" with no basis in fact?
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              Thu, March 3, 2005 - 12:39 PM
              I don't see that it's an either/or question. A person can believe that IQ isn't linked to race without believing that it has no basis in fact. Language usually will have social contructs tied in, but pure logic and spatial reasoning aren't culturally tied. Most IQ tests involve both, but that doesn't make them invalid instruments. And there are some tests (like Raven's progressive matrices) which strictly deal with spatial reasoning.
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                Thu, March 3, 2005 - 2:39 PM
                I'd heard somewhere that G was estimated to be 60-70 percent inherent, and 30-40 percent environment, though G isn't strictly
                spatial per se,
                at least not that I know.
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                  Wed, June 1, 2005 - 1:01 PM
                  The only thing an IQ test measures is how well you can take an IQ test. I always score high on such tests, but I know from personal experience, that many of those around me don't score so hight, but are far more capable than I am.
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                    Fri, June 10, 2005 - 3:52 PM
                    Does anyone know what Einstein's I.Q. was?
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                      Sat, June 11, 2005 - 5:34 PM
                      Until we devise and build an operable and functioning time machine, revisit Einstein and get him to take the exam, the answer is no.

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                      Guesses between 160-180 are common. With over 140 being excellent.

                      Read it here: www.einstein-website.de/z_info...html#iq
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                      This source: www.ufomind.com/misc/1997/...8-001.shtml says 161 and compares the guesstimate to others like Plato having 170.
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                      Here's another blurb suggesting just over 160: www.geocities.com/einstein_...ary/iq.htm
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                      Conclusion: Einstein's I.Q. score cannot precisely be determined because he never took the exam. At best, a guesstimate of over 160 to 180 appears to be a reasonable declaration.
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                        Sun, June 12, 2005 - 10:08 PM
                        But....this was averaged out by people with an average IQ of 100.
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                          Sun, June 12, 2005 - 10:48 PM
                          iq estimates are highly unreliable. i have received scores from mildly retarded to almost genius, so i guess i'm average. and einstain was anything but average, so his score could have been anything
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                            Sun, June 12, 2005 - 10:57 PM
                            Hey your opinions are interesting, however this is supposed to be SCIENCE! Where's your research? LOL
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                              Sun, June 12, 2005 - 11:05 PM
                              properly published in refereed journals
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                                Sun, June 12, 2005 - 11:23 PM
                                Yikes! Don't just blabber about it. Post the link already. ;-)
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                                  Sun, June 12, 2005 - 11:35 PM
                                  eventually ;)
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                                    Mon, June 13, 2005 - 5:00 PM
                                    For the Z generation to read we suppose? Um, some are in their early teens already, so you better get started soon, or it may just be too late. :-)
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                                      Wed, June 15, 2005 - 11:35 PM
                                      I've been researching this lately, and I have seen estimates of Einstein's IQ which range from 160 to 240. The whole IQ thing is pretty much a hoax, in lots of ways. If you look at the history, the IQ test was only supposed to be to test retarded children, so that below average intelligence could be assessed.

                                      There was not any intention, ever, of testing "genius".

                                      When you think of it, why test genius? Why not test God, while you are at it? Why not test gravity by jumping off a cliff?

                                      Eventually, it got to be popular to test for higher IQs, as well, with the IQ supposedly measuring a quotient of mental age divided by chronological age.

                                      If that were the case, then Einstein (who didn't learn to speak until he was three) might have had an IQ of 50, based on some evaluations. On the other hand, I once scrawled in crayon on the wall of my room the phrase "Framberry Dolphi" (a French liquer whose name was stenciled on a box in my closet), at the tender age of 3. Gosh, Einstein couldn't even speak at 3, and I was already writing in French?! Wow!! I must have an IQ of at least 440, then, I guesstimate.

                                      Don't get me wrong -- psychometry is helpful somewhat, but I have had many scars inflicted on me by people who bragged about their "wonderful IQs", trying to humiliate me, when I didn't know what mine was. The IQ can be an insidious trap of the ego, in many cases. I would sort of like to go back and rap them all over the head with a heavy lead pipe, and examine the "structural integrity" of their skulls, to see how "well engineered" their heads were (perhaps that should be another criterion of "IQ")....

                                      IQs also change over age, sometimes. And, IQs can be depressed or inflated, by external stimuli. There are many opinions on the subject, and some have placed the highest IQ at 185, others at 220, and others at 300.

                                      I scored a 195 on one test (the SAT, according to conversion tables), and I can personally attest that I hate the whole IQ test/score conversation a lot. It's not even clear what they measure, at all. Somebody like Marilyn Mach vos Savant studied for her tests, to achieve a 238 IQ, which seems utterly pointless, if you were striving to remain true to the original aims of the test.

                                      On the other hand, I guess she proved that she isn't retarded....

                                      And, also, it has lately been suggested that IQ has really 7 components, including the "kinesthetic" (relating to athletic coordination). If that is the case, then how could Einstein or Hawking be geniuses (especially Hawking)?

                                      Modern IQ theory is still a lot of Bosch -- At least Einstein figured out some good equations, and did a little good Tensor Algebra!
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                                        Thu, June 16, 2005 - 1:00 AM
                                        IQ test?
                                        how do we quantify something as unique as an individual.
                                        the random happening of genes and environmental factors that created the creature makes it Impossible to measure with any certainty a persons "abilities" much less a subjective "intelligence"
                                        i find the whole notion another attempt at people trying to force other people into controllable box's.
                                        I get that it was a try at collecting data as a way to solve riddles as to the origin of intellect. but to me it is a limiting concept.
                                        i can imagine Einstein thinking the whole thing nonsense.
                                        probably why he never took such a test.

                                        what i liked the most about the man is he thought freely and outside of constraints. i imagine he did not believe in constraints and thats why he made discoveries.
                                        manifest intelligence by first free thinking.

                                        thank you for reading my rant
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                                          Thu, June 16, 2005 - 10:02 AM
                                          oh, we can measure humans, we do it al the time. the problem with intelligence is its multidimensionality and it cannot be summarized in a single number
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                                            Thu, June 16, 2005 - 9:43 PM
                                            "The IQ can be an insidious trap of the ego, in many cases." This sums up half the story, the other half is it only measures RELATIVE intelligence and is based on a skewed scale that has many known biases.
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                                              Fri, June 17, 2005 - 8:49 PM
                                              I've never placed a lot of stock in IQ tests because they mainly test spatial and mathematical abilities, some reading comprehension maybe. But consider this scenario: If Paul McCartney took an IQ test he'd rate an average score--despite the fact that he is clearly a musical genius. How would Burt Rutan or Stephen Spielberg rate?
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                                                Tue, July 12, 2005 - 7:26 AM
                                                They also test verbal abilities.

                                                I was very much into the whole "IQ is just a silly number" fad until I had a highly intelligent child go to school. The problem is that most people believe that someone who is intelligent is also patient, organized, cooperative, and always on task. This incredibly inaccurate stereotype caused me and my highly gifted, learning disabled, seldom on-task and very bored son several years of agony.

                                                IQ tests are useful in showing that a child has abilities and potential, although personality is a huge factor in whether or not a child will reach that potential. For instance, my son is very gifted in math. However, given an achievement test, he scored in the low average range, which is what the school was seeing. It took a gifted assessment specialist and an IQ test to tell them that he is in fact quite gifted, but because he has a functional learning disability and is *very bored*, he may need individual instruction in math because he can neither be moved up or left in the same classroom.

                                                You can tell schools all you want, but until they see the numbers, they just assume you're being an overzealous parent.

                                                And after having gone through all that, I've also learned that IQ tests are actually fairly accurate and repeatable instruments...so as far as determining a small set of particularly useful skills, they are the best things out there.
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      Sat, June 18, 2005 - 10:32 PM
      I think it has less to do with the consumption of lead fragments in paint chips and being too intimate with ones close relatives than the current undercurrents of our social construct which discourage intelligence.

      Nearly every secondary and post secondary school in this country has a segment of the population who has a vested interest in representing intelligence as a negative trait . (Usually for the guise of retaining popularity or procurring additional funding for athletics.) Our media portrays anyone who demonstrates more than a moderate intelligence with a negative light. Unless you have other desirable traits (such as a physical attractiveness), you are portrayed as either Machiavellian or a Geek. In the wider version of society, we do not reward those who exhibit or demonstrate their intelligence. It's more important for our girls to be thin and have perfect teeth than to pass calculus. It's more important for our boys to score goals and be class president than have both chemistry and physics on their transcript.

      Very sad.

      Ali
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        Sun, June 19, 2005 - 7:32 PM
        I agree Ali.

        Maybe thats why we are atrophying into mediocrity and sameness. and no one is growing up with the abilities needed to solve our most pressing problems.
        As well the fact that the food is now running the country.

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