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Time Is Not Absolute

topic posted Sun, December 14, 2003 - 1:43 AM by  • PABlo •
Please take a look and tell me what you think...

www.time-is-not-absolute.blogspot.com/

PEACE.Out
PABlo
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    Re: Time Is Not Absolute

    Fri, February 6, 2004 - 2:35 AM
    Not claiming myself to be among the 2% but isn't this the "standard" logic problem.? I can visualize the set up and execution, formatting the solution to this puzzle...
    after that......
    Suzie. =].
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  • Suzie
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    Re: Time Is Not Absolute

    Fri, February 6, 2004 - 2:45 AM
    So how do you correlate the perception of passage through time and the protein that clocks for cellular development.?
    Because of the existence of a gene that codes for time, making a protein clock, wouldn't that make time a physical substance that needed a solution to in the fight for the survival of the fittest.?
    Seems like time is more than a "western phenomenon."
    Or is the existence of a protein merely a "western phenomenon."
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      • PABlo •
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      Re: Time Is Not Absolute

      Fri, February 6, 2004 - 4:23 PM


      those are interesting questions you pose, Suzie P...

      that's what I'm doing this research for...

      I'm interested in finding out if our "perception" of time is...
      in fact, the reason that time even exists...
      OR conversely...
      if our perception and our self-consciousness exists *because* there is such a thing as TIME...

      this conundrum is much more important that the "which came first" proposals...and is (at present) much more open of an argument in EITHER direction than the previous biases towards intelligence as defined by the behavioural psychologists of the 60s who were either pro or con about WHY intelligence is 'possible' based on 1) environment OR 2) heredity...

      similar to answers that remain philosophically at odds with what empirical evidence exists (if any)...it is kind of hard to prove either side of the theories that REPRESENT Time's existence...

      we just "perceive" the effects of entropy and uni-directional movement in the direction that points past where we currently are...

      nevertheless the cells in our body apparently are affected by entropy at the most fundamental level...that of life itself!


      The current trend in research DOES point in the direction of what our consciousness is used for and HOW it exists...
      and what makes our consciousness exist...
      may BECOME the proof and/or the reason for time (as it is currently defined) to possibly exist...


      Here in Tucson, at the the U of A, Consciousness Institute...
      Dr. Stuart Hameroff is in the process of releasing information and the very first "hard evidence" that consciousness actually DOES exist because of certain quantum structures in the brain itself.
      Further information about his work in consciousness and quantum theory, and microtubule information processing, plus Consciousness Studies at The University of Arizona can be obtained using the following URL:

      www.u.arizona.edu/~hameroff/

      OR
      check out the info from the
      Consciousness Bulletin
      www.consciousness.arizona.edu/bul....htm
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        Re: Time Is Not Absolute

        Sun, February 8, 2004 - 3:19 PM
        Dear Pablo,

        You sound like a remarkable individual. What an amazing array of interests!

        I used to co-moderate Hameroff's on-line "quantum mind" forum -- now sadly defunct.

        You might enjoy the following:

        wordassociation1.net/qcindex.htm

        Best,


        Brian
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          Re: Time Is Not Absolute

          Sun, February 8, 2004 - 5:30 PM
          Brian:

          I'm so glad you found this posting!

          I checked out your site...which again, like your following post
          motivates me to expand this conversation...

          Thank you for your feedback and other information...

          I do SO enjoy meeting people with interesting minds...
          (which also goes for the REST of the members of this tribe)

          PEACE.Out
          PABlo
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            Re: Time Is Not Absolute

            Mon, February 9, 2004 - 7:41 AM
            Right back at ya! It's good to talk about such things. I think it was Wilde who said, "I may be lying in the gutter, but my eyes are on the stars." Or words to that effect.
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            Now if we could just harness the torque on Orwell

            Mon, February 9, 2004 - 1:33 PM
            Any thoughts on where to post the following?

            From today's mail:

            ____________________

            Below is an email that I received yesterday about
            peace activists in Iowa being subpoenaed by the Polk
            County Sheriff's Office and FBI Joint Task Force on
            Terrorism. After reading it, I called Brian Terrell,
            who is one of those subpoenaed. I have known Brian
            for several years, and have stayed with him at his
            Catholic Worker farm in Iowa. He is a pacifist and
            a man of great integrity.

            Brian told me that he believes this legal action
            is in response to an anti-war conference that his
            group (Catholic Peace Ministry) held in opposition
            to the war (at Drake University), followed by a
            demonstration the next day in front of the National
            Guard. They have also subpoenaed the professors from
            Drake who participated in the conference, and have
            demanded the list of all people who attended the conference.

            After Brian and the others alerted the press to this
            bizarre event, the US Attorney for Iowa placed a gag
            order on all Drake University employees, barring them
            from saying a single word about any of this. He said
            it has made the headlines of the Des Moines Register
            for the last 3 days.

            You can read more at: www.desmoinesregister.com

            Brian has requested that people call the US Attorney's
            office in Des Moines on Monday (their Grand Jury appearance
            is on Tuesday). The phone number is 515-284-6257. PLEASE CALL
            and tell them that you have heard about this case, and that
            you are concerned about the apparent violation of freedom
            of speech and right to peaceably assemble that this legal
            action is apparently targeting. If it can happen in Iowa,
            it can happen anywhere."
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        GentleGiant David
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        Re: Time Is Not Absolute

        Sun, April 18, 2004 - 2:24 PM
        I propose that life is the energy of transformation, the energy of movement. Time is the effect of the movement of largest living bodies in our presence. Time will flow whether we consciously believe it or not unless we have enough mental power to change the movement of the celestial bodies around us.
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    Re: Time Is Not Absolute

    Sun, February 8, 2004 - 3:42 PM
    By the way, Einstein's teacher Minkowski, who was a school chum of Hilbert, once remarked that the "theory of relativity" was a misnomer, and that it was really a "theory of invariants." This is a good point of departure, because relativity flows from the invariance (or symmetry) of the speed of light under change of coordinate systems. The relativity of space-time -- its contraction for moving systems -- flows from the mathematical requirements to make c invariant (symmetric) for all observers. These mathematical requirements being embodied, of course, in the famous Lorentz transformations. Moreover, once you've got that in your bones, it's relatively easy to pass on to Noether's theorem, gauge theory, Kaluza-Klein theory, and string/M-theory, all of which flow from similar sorts of symmetries vis-a-vis "internal" spaces.

    (A very nice, lucid intro to all this is Cao's little essay on "Gauge Theory" in 'Philosophical Foundations of QFT,' ed., Brown & Harre (Oxford), much of which is nowhere near as hairy as it might sound.)

    As to Noether, it was remarked at the time that her celebrated theorem, which relates conserved quantities (like mass-energy and charge) to these kinds of symmetries, extended Klein's Erlanger program to physics. Klein's work was all to do with the theory of invariants. Hilbert & Minkowski both knew Klein personally, & attended his work closely, whereas Noether worked under Hilbert and helped Einstein with the tensor mathematics of General Relativity. So there's a bit of history. (I'm writing up a number of capsule bios for a forthcoming book on 'Quanta & Consciousness,' and have come across all sorts of fascinating connections among the principals.) (Sorry for bubbling over.)
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  • Re: Time Is Not Absolute

    Wed, December 8, 2004 - 7:28 PM
    It's the german in the green house which is the 4th from the left. He drinks coffee and smokes Prince.
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      Re: Time Is Not Absolute

      Thu, December 9, 2004 - 7:34 AM
      Bailey! I love your sense of humor- I couldn't have said it better myself! All of this cerebral babble over something that doesn't even exist! (Time)- I think that's where science has gone wrong- attempting to apply man-made concepts to space, which is not man-made. Perhaps the secrets to space lie not with time, as previously thought, but with consciousness? Novel idea (I'm being sarcastic) Don't you think?

      I suppose since we're on the discussion of the illusory concept of time and the 'real' or 'surreal' concept of space, perhaps the equasions that people are seeking to light travel and the like, lies not with Time as a variable but Consciousness- but alas, consciousness can not be equated (or can it)- so light travel will have to wait, perhaps until it can?

      I would say the german is 4th the right, But I suppose it's how you look at it.
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