Iv always wondered if Eieny was a kid today would they want to dope him up on drugs because he would think behond the doctors and dolts in the school systems and get labled with A.D.D.
He rebeled without rebeling by being smarter then the rest of the hairless monkeys.
He rebeled without rebeling by being smarter then the rest of the hairless monkeys.
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Re: All and Ridlin?
Tue, July 12, 2005 - 8:59 PMand how many little Einsteins are being drugged today I wonder now?
How much are we losing with druggin the kids people label as Different?
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Wed, July 13, 2005 - 4:16 AMNot that he did too well in the schools of his own time, but that still didn't stop him.
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Wed, July 13, 2005 - 7:01 AMya of course you can't keep a good man down, and all that, but its still something to think about, that a really smart kid who has a great fire inside could get smothered out by this stuff, then in turn get into trouble cuz he/she's too smart for his/her own good. happens a lot. but it is something to think about.
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Thu, July 21, 2005 - 10:54 PMThanks Trish!
Maybe just saying stuff out-loud will make people take a look at this kind of thing. our culture is getting more and more brainwashed by the corporate drug companies and media. i heard a commercial once that basically said "Do you feel sad unhappy, having trouble concentrating at work" (or having any normal human emotions) get "Lathargastat" (Not a real drug)...it all made me laugh and shake my head. i have all those symptoms not because IM sic but because my Boss is a jerk and i hate my job. and my X wife wants me dead. Depression is because their is conflict in the mind about what we are told to believe and the truth of our soul's. people want to drug out the life and truth from every american so they stay a docile work force. treat the symptom not the disease that is causing it. drugs are Band-Aids for the mind good for healing but bad for a way of life (addiction)
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Fri, July 22, 2005 - 10:21 PMLathargastat! now THATS what everyone must be taking!!!!! i wondered. lol.
sorry to hear about all the shit trying to keep you down. i hear ya. my common phrase the last year has been: everyone's got a story. (mostly meaning- we all go through dramma- we think we may be alone in it- but once you hear about someone else who went through it and is either better for it or made it through, you feel a bit better...) we've all been there/ are there, in our own ways and so...
this leads to my point i swear...
while we have all been there, while in a trapped feeling of things all comming down on you/ you have so much monontony in your own life and whatever- you have less energy in general, you think your alone in it- therefore you start to think its a "disorder" and then start to take drugs...(ah the point is comming) ... either self medicating or prescription- you or - sadly - your parents - start numbing it all and dulling it all down so you can function at what society thinks is normal i suppose.
I currently work with adults with dissabilities. I'm working with the end of the spectrum on this- not the "needs care 24 hr's / day. Assisted living" guys. but the "Independant living" folk. (not so independant but getting by with a little help from thier advisor- me) They are on SOOOOO many psychotropics right now, i have to deliver the meds and check the meds and sign three times for the meds...medsmedsmeds... lots of little pills to keep people functioning in a normal range. So while i know some folks can't get by with out this little modern solution... i really really hate to see kids on it.
Ultimately i think a LOT of it is learning disability. but nature or nurture- the evergrowing debate. I have ADD. I didn't take meds cuz my dad was pretty firm on me not taking any. he taught me to meditate. I'm no Einstein- but i feel i'm a pretty well rounded individual. And have risen above my station in life at a pretty good pace. never taking the meds. I can't say the same for my cousins.
Though- don't you notice A LOT of kids these days diagnosed with disorders? and a LOT of people taking stuff to dull everything down? this is the worst of it. but completely off topic for the Einstein tribe. however now that i'm reading a book on Enstein i'm going to look up if he had anything to say on the topic and get back with ya on it.
late on a friday night- i tend to ramble on tribe cuz i don't have to get up as early the next day :) hope i didn't get TOO confusing. :)
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Sat, July 30, 2005 - 4:32 PMI liked your post!
i guess when you see the benefits some can have using drugs it can change the perspective (relativity again) i think my rant was about how people take the easy way out instead of doing the hard work of dealing with your own issues (like you seem to have done) and finding a solution instead of a patch. just to function! does not seem to be a fulfilling life to me to just "survive" Our society is not conducive to creativity or the channeling of that into useful life affirming work.
We are coursed into feeding the beast of the economy witch has really been distorted to benefit the few and not the many. the drug companies are just filing a need that our society created with its deceptive ideology of "success" we seem to only measure it by money and if you don't have any you are deemed a looser regardless of your character or integrity. i think all this sets up internal conflict and this in turn creates mental stress and depression and thus drugs to relieve it and then back to the harness. paying the rent and feeding the beast "economy"
And the seemingly celebration of the "getting one over mentality" that seems to be so common it has become "normal" deception is a cultural phnoomanom we don't even get outraged anymore by it its just business as usual. (who won "survivor") the biggest liar and manipulator. we celebrate it!
who is our president. one of the biggest con men in history. no one will stand up to him. but clinton is persecuted for something that didn't kill anyone bush lies and people die. we all except it?
i think all this has set up the conflict in peoples minds that are not out and out sociopaths. anyone with an consonance cant sit well with it all but cant understand they suffer from false beliefs and assumptions that wear taught to them by equally unaware people and a social structure of deceit.
The truth is a tangible piece of reality. a lie has no substance why does it win?
Anyway my opinions are just labeled "negative" paranoid or any million of other labels people want to slap on you when you dare to question the conditioned belife systems people have.
but i too am off topic. was Einstein a plagiarist? like i said we build on our past to progress. thats in every discipline including the articles author.
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Tue, August 2, 2005 - 12:47 AMThat is an interesting question, as to whether Einstein might have benefited from, or been therapeutically prescribed, medications like Ritalin.
I suspect that he might have been willing to try them, with scientific method, to see if they actually helped. Very hard to know, otherwise, though.
Einstein is, was, and remains an anomaly in human intelligence, thought, and intellectual achievement. Still, he might have benefited from some psycho-active chemicals.
However, I doubt that we will readily know, unless it becomes possible to mathematically model the biological response of a human brain sample to various pharmacochemical agents. Maybe, at some point in human future, we will be able to do that, given a human brain sample and a specific drug/agent. Again, however, that would require the expenditure of that sample of Einstein's brain tissue, etc. So, I think there are some difficulties involved.
But, if it ever becomes possible to simulate and model the behaviour of a segment of brain tissue, with a given pharmaco-active agent, then we might be able to know what would happen if Einstein had been treated with Ritalin.... -
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Tue, September 6, 2005 - 8:59 PMActually, when properly used, Ridalin and it's cousins are not the cure. They are simply a tool that allows you to get the kid to hold still long enough to teach them some self discipline and behavior control. The lightest dose should be used and parental involvement is absolutely necessary.
Where you see the doped up kids is from the parents who are either too lazy or too stupid to understand the process. They expect the drugs to do the trick, without any enforcement on their part. Done properly, you can get your average AHD off the drugs in a few years. -
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Tue, September 6, 2005 - 10:03 PMI agree with you actually.
i think properly used drugs and other chemical methods can be very beneficial if used correctly. i think i get on my rant at the apparent ignorance and abuse of people who think of these things as cures and not for what they should be witch is aids to help the mind and body heal itself.
and this constant onslaught of drug companies to push these things for the financial motivations as the bottom line. and they will use deception to do it with ill regard to what harm it actually causes people.
But i have caused us all to stray way off topic and i feel so guilty im going to go take some drugs to relive the mind numbing anguish.
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Tue, September 6, 2005 - 11:01 PMUm, I have to interject. All medications used to treat symptoms alone and not the cause of disease, i.e. for non-medical emergencies, are indeed quite harmful to ones body and natural health. AMA graduates are trained to push pills and/or slice and dice. Alternative healers, e.g. using herbal remedies or accupuncture, actually deal with the root cause of disease and because of their efforts, true healing is not only possible; it actually happens. BTW, I'm one of many who have benefited! -
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Re: All and Ridlin?
Sun, April 23, 2006 - 5:17 PME possibly would have been one of the medicated masses, but my experience has been that if someone is at least passing their school subjects they don't medicate as quickly. I am one of those that meets the criteria for an ADHD diagnosis, but wasn't diagnosed until I was an adult and ran into a wall of depression when my life seemed to have no creative purpose. Personally, I consider the way my mind works to be one of my greatest assets.
The ability to think beyond what is in front of your face is a good thing when you are allowed to live in a way that supports that. It can be pure hell and torture when you are expected to hold yourself back and walk the same walk that everyone else does. It can be tough to play the game like you are expected to when your mind rebels and goes off on its own adventure, adding more color to your life than others will ever know. Thankfully, E didn't let himself be contained in that box.
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